My iPod nano 3rd generation hard drive failed in the second half of 2010. It had lasted since Christmas 2006, if I recall correctly. This may seem like a good amount of time for it to last, but I had been experiencing corruption problems with the artword.db file in the iPod since summer 2008. I decided during the November 21, 2009 eBay search outage to use the woraround to it (when I came across it) to get a good deal on a replacement MP3 player. Why did I get a better deal than I usually would? Economics dictates that the less bidders, which in this case was caused by others not knowing the workaround (an information advantage), the lower the price will be if the supply stays the same. Based on 22 feedback posts, these "8GB 1.8"Touch 4th Gen MP4 MP3 More Feature Than Ipod” sell on average for $43.81 (the min was $26.00 and the max was $76.00, so the price varies widely). I got this iPod nano clone from eBay user zzahuan for $26.oo due to the outage, however. This item is pretty good once you figure it out, but the poor quality of the instructions, lack of a specific name, and the hacked memory will prove too time consuming and frustrating for all but the most tech-savvy to deal with. This page should be helpful in dealing with these problems, but if you are not tech-savvy and patient, it will be less time consuming and frustrating to buy a 2 GB Sandisk Sansa Clip on eBay for less than these iClones go for. Why are so many people paying outrageous amounts for iClones? The answer is simple: keyword spamming, deception, and lying. This is not 8 GB even if it is taken to mean Gigabit instead of Gigabyte (more on that later); it does not have a touch screen but it does operate off touch (instead of say voice); it is not a 4th generation MP3 player (though it is in the style of a fourth generation iPod nano); it is not an MP4 player (try it; it won’t work) unless MP4 means something other than MPEG-4 Part 14 format; and it may well have “More Feature Than Ipod”, but that should be in your description rather than your title unless you want people thinking it is an iPod. Let us also go through some of the features that are put in its description that it supposedly has:
- It does play MP3s and WAV sound files, but I haven’t tried WMV.
- It does have "ultra-high quality stereo sound".
- It does have a 1.8” effective pixel LCD screen.
- It does have a photo viewer that allows the viewing of JPEG images, but I haven’t tried BMP images.
- It has about a 1.5-2 hour battery life if you mostly use it with the LCD screen off. (A timer called “DarkMode” found under “LCD set” under “Settings” controls the given period of time the LCD will turn off after the iClone is left alone. This is a maximum of 30 second.) I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say it uses a “high-capacity lithium battery”.
- It is nano size.
- It does have a working voice recorder. It records in WAV format.
- It does have a built-in FM radio, but it took me a while to find in the firmware, because it is filed under “Podcast” even though radio is not a podcast. It will record from the radio in WAV format.
- It does have a player that can play files recorded from the voice recorder or built-in FM radio.
- It does have a text reader that reads .txt (plain text) but not .rtf (rich text format) or .doc (97-2003 word documents). It is not a good text reader, however.
- It does have games including a customizable version of Minesweeper, a version of Tetris, a box moving game, and a colored bead game that doesn’t seem to work.
- It does play videos as long as they are AMV files.
- It does work like a USB removable disk.
- It is listed as working with Windows 98, ME, 2000, and XP, but it works with Vista as well.
- It does have a large amount of language support.
I understand that it was free shipping from Honk Kong, but it took me at least two weeks longer to receive this package from zzahuan than a laptop bag that shipped from Honk Kong with free shipping from ihome852 (a user I would highly recommend) during the same busy time of year before Christmas of 2009. I say “at least”, because I left on Christmas vacation before it got to my dorm, which meant it was not until I came back from Christmas break that I was able to use it. I immediately noticed something fishy. I would try loading 8 GB of music on it and only some of it would be on the player when I used it. After researching it, I found out that my iClone might be hacked to say 8 GB when it really wasn't. Good thing I stumbled upon this forum discussion right here. I ran H2testw on it and sure enough, I only had 1.8 GB of memory; those clever Asians had hacked my iClone. I used the 13 step process involving Check Flash outlined in the thread to fix my iClone to give the memory it actually has (except I used 1.6 GB just in case H2testw had overestimated it). Even if they meant 8.0 Gigabits, this comes out to at most about 1.3 GB, so this is not what they meant (unless they meant for the partition to be smaller than the capacity and intended to partition it as 8 Gigabits instead of 8 Gigabytes, but this is highly unlikely). Besides this, it is actually a pretty decent MP3 player. I was surprised how good the firmware on it was. The firmware listed is MP4 Player 9.5.54 by CBD Co., Ltd. on 2009-10-05 . I cannot find any information about the company, however. I want to run through the Pros and the Cons of the MP3 player now:
Pro:
- Sound Quality - I haven’t noticed any problems with sound quality so far.
- Doesn't Require iTunes - This does not mean that you cannot still have your music in iTunes, but it does mean you need to transfer your music using Windows Media Player, by simply dragging and dropping, or some other non-iTunes way. iTunes music and some of the data for it is not stored in the iTunes library file, so if you use iTunes, you can still use this MP3 player to play your music.
- Tempo Change Feature - This is my favorite feature. Do you like a song but feel it would be better if the artist had taken it up tempo? Now you can artificially fix that. Do you feel that a song would be better if the artist had taken it a little slower? This can artificially fix that. I personally like my songs fast.
- Built-in Radio – Even though it takes a while to get to, since it is filed under “Podcasts” despite radio not being a podcast, it has it. It also allows you to record from the radio.
- Other Features - Fade in when you press play, fade out when you press stop (they are the same button for both just like the iPod), SRS WOW, 7 equalizer settings (natural, rock, pop, classic, soft, jazz, and DBB), “repeating” (normal (play through all songs and stop), repeat one (repeat song), folder (play folder and stop), repeat folder, repeat all (repeat all songs), random (shuffle), intro (plays first 10 seconds of songs)), segment replay (A-B), how many times to replay that segment before it goes on, and how long to wait between segment replays
- On/Off Switch –In iPods, the switch at the top or bottom works to turn on and off a locking system, but since the iClone has a timed locking system (more on that below), the switch on the top is to put the item into a deeper sleep (based on the time it takes to load when using it) than by holding down the play button. This is likely a useful feature for saving battery, but it does not negate the fact that a physical locking system rather than a timed one should exist as well.
- Accessories – The iClone comes with a rubber protector that fits pretty well (though not perfectly), very similar looking to iPod earbuds, and a very similar to iPod USB cable.
- Orientation Sensor – This is not important for listening to music, but it is to view photos and videos, because most videos and photos are more wide than long. For some reason the firmware shows a cover art view initially when you change orientation even though viewing by cover art is not a feature it has.
Con:
- Shake To Next Song - Possibly the worst MP3 feature ever invented. Don't feel like pressing the next button to go to the next song? Then you can just shake the iClone. This is great for working out (Not!).
- Timed Lock - And you thought the iTouch's locking feature was annoying. How about a lock that goes about every 5 seconds to compensate for the shaking feature that shouldn't exist to begin with? That makes perfect sense. Good thing you can hold the middle button to access your MP3 player again.
- User Interface - There are two ways to switch songs: the next button and the folder system. The folder system can only be accessed when the song is stopped (unlike the iPod). When it is, by clicking the menu button, on "local folder", and on the "/" you can access the upper level folder, which will have folders of your albums if you used Windows Media Player. If you click on the album, you can click on the song, and off you go. It is not the multiple views that the iPod has, and it takes a while to get to the top view of the folder, but the folder system is customizable.
- The Manual - This and the next one don't have to do with the actual iClone, but they are valid complaints. Not only is the manual not that helpful, it is in awful English. Take for example "You can move your privacy into the encrypted part; they will be protected by password" or "You can set time in minutes on 'Sleep Menu', allow the player shut down automatically when the player become idle (regardless current status) for the period you have set. It is designed for listening music before sleep." Maybe they just used an auto-translator to be fair.
- The Included Mini CD - This is essentially useless. It is not clear what each thing on the disc does. I did use one of the installers (the one labeled Msien), which was basically for an AMV converter, but I am sure you can find those online just fine. I am still unsure why there is a picture of a panda bear with one eye shut on the CD.
I do not know for sure if zzahuan knows he is selling hacked goods, because he may not understand the angry feedback in English that he is getting from some of his buyers, but I do know that he should not have a 98.4% positive feedback rating (at the time this was written). Part of it is that eBay's new checklist, which comes us before negative feedback is submitted, discourages negative reviews too much (though I understand that disputes need to be resolved first, things like very slow shipping don't involve a dispute). Part of it may be collusion with eBay (the negative feedback I left mysteriously disappeared from zzahuan's page). Part of it is likely that people don't examine what they get enough or at all before they leave feedback. Whatever it is, it has increased my skepticism of eBay feedback ratings, and increased the threshold for positive feedback percentage that I consider safe when buying on eBay.
Did Yours Ever Like.. Do a Disk Error Mine does and it aint good.
ReplyDeleteIf you're talking about the iPod clone, no. I don't know if you have the same version of clone as I do. The one I have is shown in the videos. Regardless of the version you have, I would follow the 13 step procedure detailed in the "right here" link above to see if that works. If that doesn't work, than the memory is probably physically damaged, and you might as well throw it out (at a proper electronic disposal location near you) and get a new one.
ReplyDeletealright ive tried to upload music several differant ways and it always acts like it is doing it but then when i go to the files, it says disc empty?? wtf? do you know how to fix this problem??
ReplyDeleteAnonymous,
ReplyDeleteLike I mentioned in the article, in most cases these iClones are hacked to show more memory than they actually have, which is likely why the songs are not showing up on your iClone. First, you need to find out how much memory your iClone actually has. Go to the link for H2testw, and download the program to check your iClone (don't worry, Softpedia is a safe website). If you don't know how to work the program, you can simply search for a site that tells you (like this one: http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2009/08/26/test-and-detect-fake-or-counterfeit-usb-flash-drives-bought-from-ebay-with-h2testw/). After you do that, you can use the 13 step process discussed in the link titled "right here" using Check flash (and there is a link to where you can download Check flash where it says "Check flash") to keep problems from memory misrepresentation from happening.
okay. yeah, but the thing is, nothing at all appears on the player. and when i go back to do it again, windows says every song is "already on device"? did you ever run into this problem?
ReplyDeleteNo, but it sounds similar to the problems I ran into where only some of the music would still be there when I went to look for it even though it all appeared to download properly according to Windows. It may just be an extreme case of that. One thing is that if you have a different model iClone than me, it will work differently of course. Another thing is that I used Windows Media Player and the Windows file system ("My Computer") interchangeably; I don't know what program you are using. Not all of them work the same obviously. Tell me what results you got for the H2testw test. That will either rule out or show that memory is the problem.
ReplyDeletei cant figure out how to do the H2testw but when i have the settings highlighted on the player, down below where it says administr, the bar is empty and under that is says 00 MB free? so does that mean that i completely got ripped off and this thing has no memory at all? mine is the same as the one you have in the video except orange.
ReplyDeletefirmare version, under sttings says its
MP4 player
CBD CO., LTD
2009-09-01
9.5.54
I have a feeling you did get totally ripped off, but we won't know if you don't run the test. I wasn't sure how badly I got ripped off until I ran the test; if there was a simpler way, I would tell you. Since the player is most likely hacked, you can't trust what it tells you. Download the program, open it, click "select target", select the removable disk, and click on "Write + Verify". I think http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2009/08/26/test-and-detect-fake-or-counterfeit-usb-flash-drives-bought-from-ebay-with-h2testw did a fine job of explaining how to use it. You have to have the player connected to your computer using the USB cable in order to use H2testw.
ReplyDeleteMine is now giving me "Disc Error" too.
ReplyDeleteI'm in Thailand and I took it to the guys who repair the Ipod Clones and they couldn't even recover it.
Hi,
ReplyDeleteFollowing on from my post above concerning "Disc Error", I seem to have sorted it out.
I used Mp3 Player Disk Tool which resulted in the player showing up in both the F and G drives when plugged into my PC. F drive shows as 1.92GB and G shows as 6.04GB.
F Drive is the correct memory size and is the one that the player uses to play the files.
I'm sure someone who is a bit more computer savvy than me could probably rectify it, but apart from the two drives, all seems to be ok now.
"Disk Error" after I format it and I cannot return the player to play. Please help! I am less concern about the actual memory: 4 Gb or 2 Gb is OK.
ReplyDeletewowwwww
ReplyDeleteI i had a nano 3rd generation too but i think it was really nice. how ever i have a new one and i love it.
ReplyDeleteOk so I did the H2testw and it says that I have like 1GB and 5.9 corrupted and so on...is there anyway to fix it? Is it junk? I can download songs and pictures. The pictures load fine with no problems but the song it says it loaded all of them but then I only get 5 to play. When I plug it back into windows it shows some of the songs repeatedly. Anyway the firmware listed is CbC CO LTD 9.5.60 2010-01-07. If anyone can help me that would be great or if its just a piece of junk whatever thanks very much.
ReplyDeleteIf 5.9 GB is corrupted in H2testw, that should mean that 5.9 GB of the memory is physically damaged. This would mean that there is no way of getting that part fixed short of methods that would not be worth it (i.e. methods that involve opening it up, putting in new memory, etc.). The player should still be salvageable (it will only be 1 GB though). Run the 13 step process involving Check Flash mentioned in the forum discussion linked to in the article. That may fix it. Tell me if it does not.
ReplyDeletethank you so much, I will give it a try and let you know.
ReplyDeleteHow i can upgrade the player with a new Firmware..
ReplyDelete? search/download new Firmware
I wish I knew. When I looked for new firmware, I couldn't find anything. I couldn't even find anything on the company that makes it. I would suggest you not waste your time trying. The firmware is actually pretty good for the cost of the player.
ReplyDeleteI hope that you can help me...
ReplyDeleteWhen i connect the mp4 to pc it charge, but not as usb data.
i don't know what to do...
please if you know any solution, contact with me: mery_kaulitz@hotmail.com
I am not going to contact you by email, but I will say here that you can transfer data to the player using Windows Media Player or the Windows File System (if you are not tech-savvy, Windows Media Player should be easier).
ReplyDeleteI see these available on fleaBay now for less than $12 USD shipped :
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ReplyDeleteCan we post TinyURL ?
Oh I guess we can :)
ReplyDeleteI like TinyURL but some forums won't allow it because it's often used by scammers.
Anyway I ordered a Gen 4 ipod clone for $11.60 US, that price includes shipping. Crazy huh? I bet it will take 30 days to ship from China.
When it comes in I'll post a review here.
There is also a seller shipping them faster, 8 days, $21 US total :
http://tinyurl.com/2wzc873
I ordered one of those for my daughter and will review it when it comes in.
I'd like to try one of the iPad clones :
http://tinyurl.com/2bns5uf
For anyone lusting over an "ipad", here is the "apad" - it has a 7" screen and runs Google's Android OS. Weighing in at $100 rather than Apple's $500, it looks like a nice way to surf the web from the couch (???) I don't really know the purpose of an ipad. Is it not just a laptop missing the keyboard ?
OK have fun!
Craig
i followed the 13th instructions but now my ipod clone says disk error. What should i do?
ReplyDeleteAre you the same anonymous from June 13 and 14? If you are not, what results did you get from H2testw?
ReplyDeleteIf you are, run H2testw to check if anything changed and tell me if it did.
Hello,
ReplyDeleteIam new and newbie here so sorry for stupid question.
My friend buy that hacked ipod 32gb then he try to connect divece thru itunes with no luck. Then he use "delete all" menu in his fake ipod and then after trying to play .mp3 he got "Format error". While surfing i found that page and H2testw tool, and result
The media is likely to be defective.
119.4 MByte OK (244556 sectors)
26.9 GByte DATA LOST (56468660 sectors)
Details:24.9 GByte overwritten (52413872 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
1.9 GByte corrupted (4054788 sectors)
then i copy all visible stuff from ipod and format device. And now ipod not recognized by PC and won`t to start (:
What i must to do now? How can i restore functionality? thx
November 10 Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThe iClone you have is hacked and broken, and even if you were able to fix it without major repairs, that would not be worth it; you would only have a 119 MB iClone (which is .119 GB). I am sorry to break it to you, but you got conned. If you want something that will connect with iTunes, you're going to want to get a real iPod. The iPod shuffle is relatively inexpensive if you just want to listen to music.
Ugh, I have the 8gb Ipod clone, and now the volume has stopper working, I can turn it down and it stays down but you can't turn it up. Any help?
ReplyDeleteFebruary 5 Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThat sounds like a hardware rather than a software problem. The mechanism for turning up the volume is probably just broken. Sorry, you may just have to try and develop more sensitive hearing or get another MP3 player.
To me,theses iClones sound like a lotto, you have a 80% chance of beeing scammed and 20% of having the luck that your iPod has around 1-2gb / 8 or 16gb lol.
ReplyDeleteIma buy a 4th gen in a Pawn Shop,sounds less of a scamm to me. Thanks for telling your story though.
Every time I try to play music, it just says 'Format Error!'. It makes me mad...how can I fix this??
ReplyDeleteI have problem with sound in mp3, how to reset the sound
ReplyDeleteWAT IS THE VIDEO FORMAT AGAIN I COULD NOT HEAR IR GOOD WAS IT AMV BY D WAY U HELPED ME AR LOT THANKS
ReplyDeleteJanuary 3 anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYes, the video format is AMV.
Why not just buy the real thing?
ReplyDeleteQ: Why not just buy the real thing?
ReplyDeleteA: Price